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Topic Started: Oct 13 2010, 07:22 PM (317 Views)
Steve
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I thought someone else would have posted this but doesn't look anyone else has yet.

Universities no longer face limits on how much they charge:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11525031

This is an awful time for education IMO. This effectively means that big, worldwide renowned univeristies like mine will be able to charge as much as they want and those with little income and poor families will be left to go to the lesser universities.
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Bumble
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But you do not have to pay anything back untill you earn at least 21,000 a year and then at a low pay-back, if you never ear 21,000 you do not pay anything back...the Country is skint.
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Hmm this is a hard one.

I agree with tuition fees being charged - as I think that if you truly believe that going to university will benefit you in the long run - you should make some sort of financial commitment, and not rely on the state to just provide this.

However, am I right in thinking that you may not be able to borrow the full tuition fee amount if it would be £7000 or something?? I think I read somewhere on the BBC that the maximum tuition fee loan would be under this.

If thats the case, then I think thats unfair, as it completely penalises all but those from wealthy families.
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With degrees being handed out now like confetti for subject like Snot-wiping, A*se-licking, and poo-smelling hence more people getting passes for ridiculous subjects, todays students are learning a very valuable lesson. Nothing is for free.
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Oct 13 2010, 07:51 PM
But you do not have to pay anything back untill you earn at least 21,000 a year and then at a low pay-back, if you never ear 21,000 you do not pay anything back...the Country is skint.

I think that's a pretty good way to do it, also gives an incentive to the Uni's to actually help the students learn something worthwhile in the working life. Not sure if that would work here in Finland though, free education is something people are very proud of here.
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Universities shouldn't charge the beneficiaries (the graduates) rather you taxpayers should keep paying for it.

That way the graduates get to earn big fat salaries from the education received and don't need to contribute to the cost.

It's great to know that a cleaner in Birmingham can subsidise the cost of the London Lawyers free tertiary education.

I'm one of the lucky ones, I grauated and went back and did a major - all for free (paid by the taxpayers) cause we didn't have university fees.

I earn more than many others but the lowly paid have subsidised my education - you just can't logically justify that albeit I was the beneficiary.
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Oct 14 2010, 05:49 AM
With degrees being handed out now like confetti for subject like Snot-wiping, A*se-licking, and poo-smelling hence more people getting passes for ridiculous subjects, todays students are learning a very valuable lesson. Nothing is for free.

Do you even have an evidence of that or are you just believing the media !"£$?
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Steve
Oct 14 2010, 10:41 AM
treetop
Oct 14 2010, 05:49 AM
With degrees being handed out now like confetti for subject like Snot-wiping, A*se-licking, and poo-smelling hence more people getting passes for ridiculous subjects, todays students are learning a very valuable lesson. Nothing is for free.

Do you even have an evidence of that or are you just believing the media !"£$?

I have cast iron evidence mate my Grandchildren go to Uni, one is studying the art on nose picking or something just as worthwhile. Nuff said I think.
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treetop
Oct 14 2010, 10:55 AM
Steve
Oct 14 2010, 10:41 AM
treetop
Oct 14 2010, 05:49 AM
With degrees being handed out now like confetti for subject like Snot-wiping, A*se-licking, and poo-smelling hence more people getting passes for ridiculous subjects, todays students are learning a very valuable lesson. Nothing is for free.

Do you even have an evidence of that or are you just believing the media !"£$?

I have cast iron evidence mate my Grandchildren go to Uni, one is studying the art on nose picking or something just as worthwhile. Nuff said I think.

Just because you don't think it's a worthwhile degree doesn't mean it isn't.

And if it ISN'T a worthwhile degree then it's most likely at a university who would continue to charge the current fees even now that there is no cap (IE BCU, Coventry, Wolverhampton, Southampton Solent, <anything> Metropolitan)
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Oct 14 2010, 10:55 AM
Steve
Oct 14 2010, 10:41 AM
treetop
Oct 14 2010, 05:49 AM
With degrees being handed out now like confetti for subject like Snot-wiping, A*se-licking, and poo-smelling hence more people getting passes for ridiculous subjects, todays students are learning a very valuable lesson. Nothing is for free.

Do you even have an evidence of that or are you just believing the media !"�$?

I have cast iron evidence mate my Grandchildren go to Uni, one is studying the art on nose picking or something just as worthwhile. Nuff said I think.

nice to see your granchildren have been brought up in a loving and supporting environment :rolleyes:

and the older generations wonder why society has gone to hell with parenting skills like that.
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You've forgot to mention that any monies raised over a certain amount, I think its £7k, goes to the government. So there's no benefit to the uni to charge the extra fees.
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Oct 14 2010, 04:41 PM
You've forgot to mention that any monies raised over a certain amount, I think its �7k, goes to the government. So there's no benefit to the uni to charge the extra fees.

but fees at the moment are only about 3.5k so the uni's can double the fees before the gov sees anything.
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Oct 14 2010, 04:41 PM
You've forgot to mention that any monies raised over a certain amount, I think its £7k, goes to the government. So there's no benefit to the uni to charge the extra fees.

Not all of it:

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The university would get to keep a diminishing proportion of fees over £6,000 - 40% of the first £1,000, 45% of the second, 50% of the third etc
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Steve
Oct 14 2010, 10:41 AM
treetop
Oct 14 2010, 05:49 AM
With degrees being handed out now like confetti for subject like Snot-wiping, A*se-licking, and poo-smelling hence more people getting passes for ridiculous subjects, todays students are learning a very valuable lesson. Nothing is for free.

Do you even have an evidence of that or are you just believing the media !"£$?

To be fair, I do think some degree subjects are pretty unhelpful at the moment.

I think the subject people chose to do makes a difference to how employable they are - if you study a more vocational degree then it generally is useful for the world of work - and so it makes you more employable.

I dont think its fair for the whole country to pay (through taxes) for the further education of a lesser amount of the population - especially when so many end up in careers they could have been in without university study.
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Oct 14 2010, 06:18 PM
Steve
Oct 14 2010, 10:41 AM
treetop
Oct 14 2010, 05:49 AM
With degrees being handed out now like confetti for subject like Snot-wiping, A*se-licking, and poo-smelling hence more people getting passes for ridiculous subjects, todays students are learning a very valuable lesson. Nothing is for free.

Do you even have an evidence of that or are you just believing the media !"£$?

To be fair, I do think some degree subjects are pretty unhelpful at the moment.

I think the subject people chose to do makes a difference to how employable they are - if you study a more vocational degree then it generally is useful for the world of work - and so it makes you more employable.

I dont think its fair for the whole country to pay (through taxes) for the further education of a lesser amount of the population - especially when so many end up in careers they could have been in without university study.

Education should be free, all of it IMO.

At the end of the day, it's not like Universities effect Tax Payers, taxes would be the same regardless and it's not like it's a huge chunk of money taken from the tax payer.

We will also be amongst some of the highest tax contributors in the country when graduating, most of us anyway.
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Bumble
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Steve
Oct 14 2010, 07:33 PM
keepthecityblue
Oct 14 2010, 06:18 PM
Steve
Oct 14 2010, 10:41 AM
treetop
Oct 14 2010, 05:49 AM
With degrees being handed out now like confetti for subject like Snot-wiping, A*se-licking, and poo-smelling hence more people getting passes for ridiculous subjects, todays students are learning a very valuable lesson. Nothing is for free.

Do you even have an evidence of that or are you just believing the media !"£$?

To be fair, I do think some degree subjects are pretty unhelpful at the moment.

I think the subject people chose to do makes a difference to how employable they are - if you study a more vocational degree then it generally is useful for the world of work - and so it makes you more employable.

I dont think its fair for the whole country to pay (through taxes) for the further education of a lesser amount of the population - especially when so many end up in careers they could have been in without university study.

Education should be free, all of it IMO.

At the end of the day, it's not like Universities effect Tax Payers, taxes would be the same regardless and it's not like it's a huge chunk of money taken from the tax payer.

We will also be amongst some of the highest tax contributors in the country when graduating, most of us anyway.

Where is the money coming from? we are skint or had you forgot < <
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Steve
Oct 14 2010, 07:33 PM
keepthecityblue
Oct 14 2010, 06:18 PM
Steve
Oct 14 2010, 10:41 AM
treetop
Oct 14 2010, 05:49 AM
With degrees being handed out now like confetti for subject like Snot-wiping, A*se-licking, and poo-smelling hence more people getting passes for ridiculous subjects, todays students are learning a very valuable lesson. Nothing is for free.

Do you even have an evidence of that or are you just believing the media !"£$?

To be fair, I do think some degree subjects are pretty unhelpful at the moment.

I think the subject people chose to do makes a difference to how employable they are - if you study a more vocational degree then it generally is useful for the world of work - and so it makes you more employable.

I dont think its fair for the whole country to pay (through taxes) for the further education of a lesser amount of the population - especially when so many end up in careers they could have been in without university study.

Education should be free, all of it IMO.

At the end of the day, it's not like Universities effect Tax Payers, taxes would be the same regardless and it's not like it's a huge chunk of money taken from the tax payer.

We will also be amongst some of the highest tax contributors in the country when graduating, most of us anyway.

not necessarily...I earn a lot more than other people I work with who have degrees...degrees in buisness management, some media rubbish and various other ones.
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Steve
Oct 14 2010, 08:33 PM
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Steve
Oct 14 2010, 10:41 AM
treetop
Oct 14 2010, 05:49 AM
With degrees being handed out now like confetti for subject like Snot-wiping, A*se-licking, and poo-smelling hence more people getting passes for ridiculous subjects, todays students are learning a very valuable lesson. Nothing is for free.

Do you even have an evidence of that or are you just believing the media !"£$?

To be fair, I do think some degree subjects are pretty unhelpful at the moment.

I think the subject people chose to do makes a difference to how employable they are - if you study a more vocational degree then it generally is useful for the world of work - and so it makes you more employable.

I dont think its fair for the whole country to pay (through taxes) for the further education of a lesser amount of the population - especially when so many end up in careers they could have been in without university study.

Education should be free, all of it IMO.

At the end of the day, it's not like Universities effect Tax Payers, taxes would be the same regardless and it's not like it's a huge chunk of money taken from the tax payer.

We will also be amongst some of the highest tax contributors in the country when graduating, most of us anyway.

Yes and when you do graduate welcome to the real world.

Wait untill you have to pay the higher rate of tax & then your pension contributions.

Then your Mortgage, Gas, Electricity, Council Tax, Water rates, Phone /TV/ Internet, House / Life insurance, Car insurance, Petrol, food, Kids clothes.....................


Its a far cry from running about in shopping trolleys with traffic cones on your heads & drinking vodka out of pot noodle cups while listening to the levelers.

Good luck though eh **thumbup
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Oct 15 2010, 08:26 AM
not necessarily...I earn a lot more than other people I work with who have degrees...degrees in buisness management, some media rubbish and various other ones.

Too True.

I have a degree in Journalism, yet ended up working for the railways. How'd that happen?

A degree isn't a guarentee of a job, its the potential for a job, and that potential isn't always realised, and not necessarily because of the individual concerned. The current ecomonic climate is an example of this.
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Its a far cry from running about in shopping trolleys with traffic cones on your heads & drinking vodka out of pot noodle cups while listening to the levelers.

Ahhh. Happy Days.
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Oct 15 2010, 08:59 AM
Its a far cry from running about in shopping trolleys with traffic cones on your heads & drinking vodka out of pot noodle cups while listening to the levelers.

I hate it when people assume that this is all students do. We work hard, harder than anyone else in our age group.
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Steve
Oct 14 2010, 08:33 PM
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Steve
Oct 14 2010, 10:41 AM
treetop
Oct 14 2010, 05:49 AM
With degrees being handed out now like confetti for subject like Snot-wiping, A*se-licking, and poo-smelling hence more people getting passes for ridiculous subjects, todays students are learning a very valuable lesson. Nothing is for free.

Do you even have an evidence of that or are you just believing the media !"£$?

To be fair, I do think some degree subjects are pretty unhelpful at the moment.

I think the subject people chose to do makes a difference to how employable they are - if you study a more vocational degree then it generally is useful for the world of work - and so it makes you more employable.

I dont think its fair for the whole country to pay (through taxes) for the further education of a lesser amount of the population - especially when so many end up in careers they could have been in without university study.

Education should be free, all of it IMO.

At the end of the day, it's not like Universities effect Tax Payers, taxes would be the same regardless and it's not like it's a huge chunk of money taken from the tax payer.

We will also be amongst some of the highest tax contributors in the country when graduating, most of us anyway.

Yes and when you do graduate welcome to the real world.

Wait untill you have to pay the higher rate of tax & then your pension contributions.

Then your Mortgage, Gas, Electricity, Council Tax, Water rates, Phone /TV/ Internet, House / Life insurance, Car insurance, Petrol, food, Kids clothes.....................


Its a far cry from running about in shopping trolleys with traffic cones on your heads & drinking vodka out of pot noodle cups while listening to the levelers.

Good luck though eh **thumbup

Nice generalisation there. I can honestly say I don't know anybody who has done any of those things that you mentioned and I'm in the 2nd year of a German with Spanish degree.

And who uses a Pot Noodle cup for vodka? We all have glasses, y'know :P
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Oct 15 2010, 12:23 PM
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Oct 15 2010, 08:59 AM
Its a far cry from running about in shopping trolleys with traffic cones on your heads & drinking vodka out of pot noodle cups while listening to the levelers.

I hate it when people assume that this is all students do. We work hard, harder than anyone else in our age group.

I usually just respond with a "Yes, and you paid for it. Thanks for that, by the way."
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education should be free for those who want it for the right reason - the problem is you cant have it free for some and not the others.

What I mean is people training to be teachers, doctors, surgeons etc should have free education in the hope of them reaching their potential.

Lets face it though (and Im sure steve and will - dont know who else on here is at uni/college - know people like this) some, I would even say a lot, of people go to uni/college as it is 3 to 5 years of having fun 'finding' themselves, partying etc and treat study as a 2nd or even 3rd on their agenda of day to day activities...why should these people get it for free?

I say shorten and make the courses more intensive, dependant upon how hard you work, the effort put in, the course your doing etc should depend on if how and when/why you pay.

Its quite evident the people who take the loan knowing full well they will not for a long time (if ever) have to pay back a penny.
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Oct 15 2010, 08:59 AM
Its a far cry from running about in shopping trolleys with traffic cones on your heads & drinking vodka out of pot noodle cups while listening to the levelers.

I hate it when people assume that this is all students do. We work hard, harder than anyone else in our age group.

That made me :LMAO:
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